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Post by vance on Dec 21, 2013 17:33:31 GMT -5
I'm finally going through and really watching some tape, so as I go, I'll post some random thoughts about each. Starting with QBs.
Teddy Bridgewater has all the measurables you could want: quick release, scans the field, velocity, accuracy. He also lines up under center, shotgun, throws from 3-step drops, 5-step drops, bootlegs, name it.
Derek Carr: I'm a huge fan, but I understand the supposed division among NFL GMs on where he belongs. He throws SOOOO many screens. Does have a great arm, quick release, ability to drop in touch passes. Improved his mechanics since 2012. Lot of projection involved though. More risk as a high draft pick.
Blake Bortles: I get why he's rising. Comfortable in the pocket, but can make plays with his feet. Accurate, with good velocity on his throws. Can make the difficult throw. Good arm deep. Sometimes fails to see the safety coming in and gets picked. Stands in vs pressure.
Johnny Manziel: Fun to watch, slippery when on the run. Can throw pretty well running either left or right. Solid arm when he's mechanically sound, which isn't often. Footwork is a mess. Runs way more than he needs to. Takes too many hits, which could be a liability as a pro. One read and run QB.
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Post by connor on Dec 21, 2013 18:50:13 GMT -5
Yeah, with Carr, I think some are overrating him due to his numbers. Many of his yards are due to SOOOO many screens. But Carr also can make the deep throws as well.
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Post by vance on Dec 21, 2013 19:43:06 GMT -5
AJ McCarron: It cannot be understated how much the talent around him helps. Most of his throws are easy completions that are then ran for long gains. He does a good job at managing the offense and reading defenses. Footwork questionable to me. Not a lot of zip on his passes.
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Post by Blake Meek on Dec 22, 2013 10:25:13 GMT -5
Me and another guy got attacked on twitter a couple months ago for saying Bridgewater was an elite QB prospect. I just don't understand how you can watch him and not think that. He can do absolutely everything. Does his skinny frame worry a little? Sure, but he isn't a runner like RGIII, he isn't going to be taking those hits. I had Bridgewater rated just barely, and I mean just barely lower than Luck and RGIII.
I'm really falling in love with Bortles. The more I watch him, the more I think he just has it. It'll be interesting to see how high he climbs. I wouldn't be surprised to see him go top 10 or even top 5.
I am a Manziel believer, but you can't expect him to step in week 1 and run a pro style offense. You just can't. He has some things he has to work on and if he puts in the work, he can be a really good pro. The biggest question is will he put in the work?
McCarron is WAY down my list, almost to the point where I just wouldn't draft him at all.
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Post by connor on Dec 22, 2013 11:38:58 GMT -5
Bridgewater is my #1 QB, and #2 prospect. Love the way he handles pressure, can run, has great accuracy. Bortles is my #2 QB, and actually #5 prospect, I love him. With the other QBs, not a fan of Carr, he throws off his back foot, doesn't handle pressure well, and his stats are inflated due to a whole bunch of screens and good WRs, he does make some nice throws though. Also not a fan of Mettenberger, Manziel, Boyd, and McCarron. Manziel is a one read and run QB. I do like Fales, Garoppolo, Bridgewater, and Bortles for NFL QBs to pan out.
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Post by Blake Meek on Dec 22, 2013 12:07:05 GMT -5
Bortles and Carr are really close for me. Probably 2a and 2b.
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Post by Blake Meek on Dec 22, 2013 12:07:28 GMT -5
I also really like Mettenberger. I think who ever drafts him will get a steal.
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Post by connor on Dec 22, 2013 12:33:14 GMT -5
I have to watch some more film on Mettenberger, I did like him but I have questions about his accuracy, and had a good offense around him. He kind of reminds me of Brandon Weeden, but younger
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Post by Blake Meek on Dec 22, 2013 12:39:17 GMT -5
Mettenberger reminds me of Carson Palmer.
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Post by dklass on Dec 22, 2013 12:45:03 GMT -5
I don't see the Bortles hype. I think he's less comfortable and less accurate than as perceived. Passes randomly just float and doesn't get to his target. Can't move him past the "fringe 1st round" area.
Jimmy Garoppolo is the most underrated QB in this class. He can do what Foles can, but better.
Tajh Boyd is painfully overrated. Was never as talented as the media wanted people to believe. Liability as a decision maker. Accuracy past 15 yards is shaky. Timing is average, at best. Ability to be mobile and keep eyes up has regressed. 4th rounder.
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Post by dklass on Dec 22, 2013 12:45:53 GMT -5
I also really like Mettenberger. I think who ever drafts him will get a steal. Everything he does is really slow, average pocket presence, and he stares WRs down. Not a fan. |
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Post by Blake Meek on Dec 22, 2013 12:51:04 GMT -5
Mettenberger is Carson Palmer, just like I said.
Bortles does everything that I've watched fantastically. I'd consider really hard taking him over Carr.
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Post by connor on Dec 22, 2013 12:57:33 GMT -5
Mettenberger has really slow foot work as well which can get him in trouble. Carr also has really sloppy footwork. I really like Garoppolo though, scans the field really well, poised, good pocket presence and can run. Bortles is really nice, accuracy, poised, football iq, can escape the pocket, reminds me a lot like Big Ben like some have said.
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Post by connor on Dec 22, 2013 13:08:36 GMT -5
Mettenberger has really slow foot work as well which can get him in trouble. Carr also has really sloppy footwork. I really like Garoppolo though, scans the field really well, poised, good pocket presence and can run. Bortles is really nice, accuracy, poised, football iq, can escape the pocket, reminds me a lot like Big Ben like some have said.
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Post by connor on Dec 22, 2013 14:00:29 GMT -5
I don't see the Bortles hype. I think he's less comfortable and less accurate than as perceived. Passes randomly just float and doesn't get to his target. Can't move him past the "fringe 1st round" area. Jimmy Garoppolo is the most underrated QB in this class. He can do what Foles can, but better. Tajh Boyd is painfully overrated. Was never as talented as the media wanted people to believe. Liability as a decision maker. Accuracy past 15 yards is shaky. Timing is average, at best. Ability to be mobile and keep eyes up has regressed. 4th rounder. I agree with everything Dklass said even with Mettenberger, and 4th round for Boyd is spot on, I see Mettenberger being in the same area, maybe shoild be 5th round. I like Murray more than Mettenberger and Boyd. And Garoppolo really is the most underrated QB in the draft. Although I do not agree with you with Bortles lol. I really like Bortles, so composed and makes good throws. |
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Post by Blake Meek on Dec 22, 2013 14:39:01 GMT -5
I'd take Mett late in the 2nd and no doubt in the 3rd.
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Post by vance on Dec 22, 2013 16:24:12 GMT -5
I'll be watching Mettenberger next. I do agree with Derrick on Bortles as far as decision-making. That was the one area of concern. He would randomly throw the ball somewhere it had no chance of being completed and was often picked. Seemed to either miss safety help completely or just made the poor choice to throw it anyway. QB need may dictate him going top 10, but realistically, mid 1st guy. I prefer Carr.
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Post by connor on Dec 23, 2013 0:10:21 GMT -5
Just watched ton of film on Fales, love this guy. Cant find many flaws other than he doesnt throw stinger. Has great accuracy (down field, mid field, where ever), can escape the pocket, great form, doesn't force many throws, good pocket presence, scans field....
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Post by connor on Dec 23, 2013 0:12:56 GMT -5
My QB rankings aren't from what they have done this year, its from what I think they can do in the nfl combined with potential, and here it is...
Teddy, Bortles, Fales, Hundley, Garoppolo, Carr, McCarron, Manziel, Murray, Thomas, Mettenberger, Morris, Matthews, Boyd....
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Post by vance on Dec 23, 2013 0:14:11 GMT -5
Zach Mettenberger: Pocket QB. Needs a clean pocket. Big arm, and throws a great deep ball. More accurate deep than shorter routes. Doesn't really go through progressions because he usually doesn't need to. Does stare down receivers, but gets away w/ it bc of a live arm and great WRs. Didn't make many awful throws. Has a bit of a windup.
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